From: Stuart Crichton 4/03/99 15:27:19 Subject: Egyptian Pyramids post id: 2815 What is your theory on the Egyptian Pyramids (ie. how they were built), and also the Mars connection with the pyramids. Stuart Crichton Regina Saws, Brisbane From: Dr. Ed G (Avatar) 4/03/99 16:57:41 Subject: re: Egyptian Pyramids post id: 2834 The Egyptians built the pyramids... there is no "Mars connection"... the closest thing to life that's ever been detected from Mars was the hint of a possibility that it may have had some sort of single celled organism (although even this is FAR from even vague certainty)... and I can see how the Egyptians would have needed the help of amoeba. Soupie twist, Ed G. From: Rhys 4/03/99 17:37:27 Subject: re: Egyptian Pyramids post id: 2839 Well, the modern day Egyptians aren't decendents of the original builders, that much at least can be shown historically. As to a connection with Mars, well, it just goes to show what a wonderful imagination we humans have, and how far we will go to fill that innate need to answer the question of our origins. rhys (i can feel a poem coming on...) From: katinka Whitlock 4/03/99 19:14:18 Subject: re: Egyptian Pyramids post id: 2858 Who honestly knows? Due to the age of the Great pyramid, it was at least planned about 13000 years ago, older than the Egyptian civilisation, also the sphynx, is as old as the planning of the Great Pyramid, and at one stage had the head of a lion, or so it is believed, that was then carved to it's present form, who knows? Maybe Alan Alford is correct in his theory of early genetic engineering of Homo Erectus to Homo Sapiens! Maybe the Ancients were simply a hell of a lot smarter than present day peoples!!!! From: Terry Frankcombe 4/03/99 19:31:04 Subject: re: Egyptian Pyramids post id: 2859 Maybe the Ancients were simply a hell of a lot smarter than present day peoples!!!! They certainly were not dumber! For example, according to acheologic/geologic/historical evidence the entire Arabian Peninsula was irrigated up until about 500 AD! (Or was that 500 BC? Need to check my dates!) Indeed, a remarkable achievement, and something that is not practical today. From: Dr. Ed G (Avatar) 4/03/99 19:40:47 Subject: re: Egyptian Pyramids post id: 2862 They certainly were not dumber! For example, according to acheologic/geologic/historical evidence the entire Arabian Peninsula was irrigated up until about 500 AD! (Or was that 500 BC? Need to check my dates!) Indeed, a remarkable achievement, and something that is not practical today. What's also interesting is that there is a fair deal of evidence that it was this cleverness that caused the destruction of the same civilisation it helped to grow. Indeed they were adept at irrigation... so much so that the increased diversion of water raised the water table, bringing salt up from deep in the ground causing the land to become barren, of course resulting in wholesale starvation... sound familiar? Soupie twist, Ed G. From: katinka Whitlock 4/03/99 22:44:17 Subject: re: Egyptian Pyramids post id: 2897 While we are on this topic, I want you to consider an idea I read on ESP. It has been descovered that tribes in South Africa use Esp in every day life, and many are turning to a theory that ESP is part of our make-up, yet due to modern technology, we no longer require it and so have abandoned it. Now in this article, it mentions the magnetic fields of a person, and how one man who was known by all his friends to have a wonderful handle on this magnetism, created a wonderful arrangement in his backyard, he single handedly arranged blocks of coral, weighing about 6 tonnes each,( making them heavier than the blocks of the great pyramid) And building incredible monuments out of them. It was known that he studied magnetism and electronics. He worked alone on his project, and reportedly used no mechanical devices. I have seen photo's and it is exquisite! Did he know something that possibly the builders of the Great Pyramid knew? What are your thoughts? From: Terry Frankcombe 4/03/99 22:48:36 Subject: re: Egyptian Pyramids post id: 2899 Katinka, my thoughts are don't believe everything that you read. Seeing photos of the finished product is not evidence of 'superhuman' abilities. Where did this article come from? Have you got a reference so that we too can see what it has to say? This forum is un-moderated. The views and opinions expressed are those of the individual poster and not the ABC. The ABC reserves the right to remove offensive or inappropriate messages. From: katinka Whitlock 4/03/99 23:03:10 Subject: re: Egyptian Pyramids post id: 2901 It's not that I believe everything I read, I just thought it an interesting concept. I have read of it in various different places, including books and magazines. However I do know that it gets a mention in the X factor magazine, issue 21. It is all very odd, I was just inquiring into other peoples views, and possibly finding out if anyone else had ready anything. From: James Richmond (Avatar) 6/03/99 11:12:12 Subject: re: Egyptian Pyramids post id: 2976 Katinka, just a few questions. Due to the age of the Great pyramid, it was at least planned about 13000 years ago, older than the Egyptian civilisation, also the sphynx, is as old as the planning of the Great Pyramid, and at one stage had the head of a lion, or so it is believed, that was then carved to it's present form, who knows? Where and what is the evidence that the Great Pyramid was planned 13,000 years ago? I thought it was built around 5,000 years ago. Maybe Alan Alford is correct in his theory of early genetic engineering of Homo Erectus to Homo Sapiens! Maybe the Ancients were simply a hell of a lot smarter than present day peoples!!!! Could you give us a bit more information on Alford's theory? Genetic engineering by whom? As to the "ancients" being smarter than present day people, again I have to ask - where is the evidence? We can speculate as much as we like about things, but a theory is of no use without supporting facts. While we are on this topic, I want you to consider an idea I read on ESP. It has been descovered that tribes in South Africa use Esp in every day life ... Discovered by whom? In what ways do they use their ESP in daily life? What type of ESP is it? Have there been any double blind scientific tests to verify the phenomenon? ... and many are turning to a theory that ESP is part of our make-up, ... Yes, this is true, but are they justified in regarding the theory as true, or are they just taking somebody's word for it? ... yet due to modern technology, we no longer require it and so have abandoned it. Seems a bit odd to me. Surely ESP would be incredibly useful. Why would we abandon it? Why not use it along with the modern technology? Now in this article, it mentions the magnetic fields of a person, and how one man who was known by all his friends to have a wonderful handle on this magnetism, created a wonderful arrangement in his backyard, he single handedly arranged blocks of coral, weighing about 6 tonnes each,( making them heavier than the blocks of the great pyramid) And building incredible monuments out of them. It was known that he studied magnetism and electronics. He worked alone on his project, and reportedly used no mechanical devices. I have seen photo's and it is exquisite! Did he know something that possibly the builders of the Great Pyramid knew? What are your thoughts? Did anyone see how he moved the blocks single-handed and without any mechanical devices? Are there any photos of this part of the process? Remember, his friends may have good reasons to exagerate his achievements and the methods he used to produce them. We need to know whether there was any independent confirmation of the circumstances. JR From: katinka Whitlock 7/03/99 16:22:13 Subject: re: Egyptian Pyramids post id: 3025 I just have to remind you, I only bought these topics up for discussion, to see what others think of it! I never once said I believe it. Phew, I just had to get that out of the way. Now that guy who built up those monuments, he never exaggerated anything, because he never told anyone, his neighbours noticed it over a period of time, and research as been undertaken, to find out if any machinery was used by him, and they came up with nothing, also the eighbours would have noticed. Unfortunately this guy is dead. So he can't even be interviewed about it now! I too believe ESP would be useful nowadays, it would be wonderful, but the theory goes that once we came up with the technologies that performed the tasks that our ESP allegedly used to do, then we used them, and discarded our ESP. I suppose it's a bit like the grand ol' TV remote, we could get off our butts and change the channel, or adjust the volume, but why not just get a TV with a remote? It's possibly mankinds fascination with gadgets. From: Rhys 7/03/99 17:59:36 Subject: re: Egyptian Pyramids post id: 3033 "...but the theory goes that once we came up with the technologies that performed the tasks that our ESP allegedly used to do, then we used them, and discarded our ESP..." Oh for PETE'S SAKE!!!! Why the hell would we develop technologies to do something we could already do??? (I can lift 6 tonnes with my mind, so I'm going to develop a system of pullies to do it.) ROT! :o) From: Dr. Ed G (Avatar) 8/03/99 16:10:29 Subject: re: Egyptian Pyramids post id: 3107 Sorry if I've appeared overzealous in by refutation of the existence of all things "transcendental" to the point of implying that they should not be discussed. In fact, only in an open and free forum will the truth about such things ever be adequately realised. Now onto my thoughts on E.S.P. It occurs to me that had we developed psychic abilities, E.S.P., or any more efficient means of communication than the standard means of communication that we have today, at an earlier stage of our evolution, we would never have evolved into the subtle, intelligent, or phenomenally complex organisms we are today. Let me explain. In any sufficiently complex social grouping it is advantageous to be able to work out and understand the dynamics of interaction between all the members of that group, as well as the on-on-one interaction between yourself and each of those members. It is important to be able to tell when someone is lying, and when someone is telling the truth; when someone is malevolent, when someone is benevolent, and when someone is ambivalent; when someone is a sucker, and when someone is a confidence trickster. In order to do this, however, you need lots of "grey-matter" and the individuals with the most, and the best adapted grey-matter are the ones that can differentiate all these traits in the social settings around them, and hence are the ones who have the best chance of success to sporn a new generation. The difficulties involved in surviving in any such complex social setting, in which you can never be sure what other individuals are thinking or planning, in which you must use your wits to distinguish both friend and foe, are exactly the things in our environment that SELECT FOR BRAINS. If you remove these factors, or make them les important, you remove one of the driving forces that favours social sophistication (I don't mean an appreciation for "high art", but a more complex approach to social interaction) and intelligence. If on the other hand, our more enlightened, more "spiritually advanced", ancestors had possessed the power to communicate without having to interpret the myriad of socials cues embodied in the subtleties of both voice and body language, far FAR beyond the simple use of words (have you ever noticed how easy it is for one's intentions to be COMPLETELY MISUNDERSTOOD when using only the written word via the internet?), what possible reason could there have been for developing such skills of interpretation? Why would we have developed the need for the extra brain mass? Moreover, if human communication were so easy and straightforward as E.S.P., what need would we have for art, music, literature, as these hinge on our desire to understand the thoughts of others? Indeed, if we knew, by E.S.P., when others were happy, what need would have for so simple, and yet so profound a human smile? Soupie twist, Ed G. From: Terry Frankcombe 8/03/99 20:36:04 Subject: re: Egyptian Pyramids post id: 3131 I don't like your argument, Dr Ed. You have assumed perfect communication via ESP. What if any potential ESP communication was merely direct voice projection? Just like talking. That didn't stop us developing. From: Gigboy 9/03/99 11:42:22 Subject: re: Egyptian Pyramids post id: 3159 Hey Dr. Ed, No mention of your amphibian colony theory about Mars? At least they're green (mostly). Maybe Martians are really frogs that evolved to walk upright, hence the commonly generalised "little green men"???? Tony. xxx From: Dr. Ed G (Avatar) 9/03/99 12:08:33 Subject: re: Egyptian Pyramids post id: 3164 Okay, it's probably silly of me to attempt a logical dissection of E.S.P., but it seems to me that it has to be either a communication of "wholistic feelings", whatever they might be, than token language projection since it is not logically feasible for there to be a standard neural encoding for the individual words and meanings of language. There is no universal (or even regional) neural encoding or response for the word/idea "chair" for example, so surely such communication would have to be parsed through some sort of E.S.P. encoder/decoder centre in the brain. Furthermore, as with any language, such E.S.P. language will also no be universal, and therefore must be learned, ideally in childhood. Now, you can't force a child NOT to assimilate any given stimuli into their gathered understanding of the world around them. If you put any child into any cultural group there is nothing you can do to stop them learning the language of that group. So, given that if there is any tendency of any humans for E.S.P. there must be a similar tendency in kind for all humans for E.S.P. (anyone who says otherwise is simply ignorant of basic human genetics), then that tendency will always be manifest in children who are Nature's most efficient example of what might be referred to as a "sensory sponge". I can't see how, even if we'd wanted to, we could extinguish ANY inherent tendency for E.S.P. language in children, and therefore adults, no matter how "technological" society has become. Kids are simply too inquisitive and cluey! So, it seems to me that either the E.S.P. is a one-to-one communication of "thoughts" and "feelings" and therefore ameliorates the need for being bright enough to tell when someone is lying or not, or it is a parsed language for which children must have a natural and thus unsuppressable (unless you lock them in a cupboard) tendency/potential for. Soupie twist, Ed G. From: Dr. Ed G (Avatar) 9/03/99 12:45:24 Subject: re: Egyptian Pyramids post id: 3176 No mention of your amphibian colony theory about Mars? At least they're green (mostly). Maybe Martians are really frogs that evolved to walk upright, hence the commonly generalised "little green men"???? I'm still trying to work out how much such knowledge mere mortals can handle without breaking their minds... I think I may have stumbled across something more powerful than the theory of "body thetans" (bad spirits that infect your body implanted there by the evil Xenu millions of years ago) of L. Ron Hubbard and the Church of $cientology. If my brain mysteiriously and sponateously implodes, you'll know what happened to me... wish me luck. Soupie twist, Ed G. p.s. thanks for pointing out the "little green man" link, I hadn't yet made the connection, and I suspect it will make my investigations all the more fruitful. From: Katinka Whitlock 11/03/99 17:31:19 Subject: re: Egyptian Pyramids post id: 3576 That's very well put, however has it ever occurred to you, that maybe our ESP wasn't really all that good? True it existed, but there must have been flaws in it, maybe not everyone had it to the same extent. So we developed technologies so as everyone could perform these functions. This ability would also no doubt have been extremely tiring I'd also like to say. That the question of how much our minds can hold has been nagging at me for sometime! How extensive is our mind, and why do we only use 10% of our brains? Kat From: Dr. Ed G (Avatar) 11/03/99 18:02:36 Subject: re: Egyptian Pyramids post id: 3578 I'd also like to say. That the question of how much our minds can hold has been nagging at me for sometime! How extensive is our mind, and why do we only use 10% of our brains? It was a throw-away line (by Einstein, I believe) whose point was more sociological than physiological, probably not too dissimilar to John Elliot's "the Australia electorate are stupid" line (although, I think John Elliot sincerely believes his own superiority, whereas by many accounts Einstein was somehwhat more humble). Absolute mental capacity has NEVER been quantified, let alone the relative fraction of it that we actually use measured. My basic point about the search for so called E.S.P. is that it fails to acknowledge the quite astounding perception by the human mind through the standard five senses. Things like intuition, depth of understanding of other people, emotional "chemistry", and the like are assigned to the action of some mystic energy or force, without even considering the possibility that they might actually be the result of the phenomenal mental processing power going on in the vast and intricate network or neurons that resides just inside the skull. My objection to the common notion of E.S.P., as presented by proponents of the "New Age", is that it devalues, in my opinion, the sheer majesty and wonder of the human mind. This is an emotional and largely aesthetic position on my part with no basis whatsoever in science, or scientific method - call it a religious position, if you will (hence my zeal on the issue). Lucky for me, however, it also just happens to correspond with all the experimental facts that have ever been gathered about E.S.P. - i.e. it's existence has NEVER been demonstrated. However, keep the arguments coming, I don't want to dissuade you from anything, just rigorous and vigorous discussion. Soupie twist, Ed G. This forum is un-moderated. The views and opinions expressed are those of the individual poster and not the ABC. The ABC reserves the right to remove offensive or inappropriate messages.