| From: Marv | 4/02/99
10:02:14 |
| Subject: MIAMI STONEHENGE | post id:
199 |
| Dear Karl, I was wondering if you
had any info or news, or could simply inform the audience on the ancient
stone circle recently discovered at a building site in Miami. Thanks in
part to the efforts of Richard C. Hoagland and Robert Ghost Wolf on the
Art Bell radio program in the USA, the Miami Herald Newspaper, local
schools and many other people from all walks of life, the demolition of
this site has just been averted for just ONE month, so archaeologists (?)
can do more work. This is an incredible find that seems to have similar
geometry and maths to that of Stonehenge, Pueblo Bonito, Giza, and other
well known ancient sites on Earth and Mars. Any one interested could go to
one of these
addresses.......... http://www.artbell.com/ http://www.wolflodge.org/rising/sacred.htm http://more.abcnews.go.com/sections/science/DailyNews/circle990201.html http://www.foxnews.com/js_index.sml?content=/national/020199/miamidig.sml http://www.msnbc.com/local/wtvj/110525.asp | |
| From: Sceptical Sam | 4/02/99
10:24:10 |
| Subject: re: MIAMI STONEHENGE | post id:
210 |
| Similar geometry to Stone henge?
Going from the stories I've read that would be A CIRCLE. Also, What well known sites on Mars? Please explain? | |
| From: Michael | 5/02/99
18:22:12 |
| Subject: re: MIAMI STONEHENGE | post id:
474 |
| Actually, what is the deal with
crop circles? Didn't someone find a radiation level or magnetic point that was statistically significant in them? | |
| From: Dr. Ed G (Avatar) | 5/02/99
19:07:51 |
| Subject: re: MIAMI STONEHENGE | post id:
480 |
| Re: crop
circles It turned out they were made mostly by sad losers wanting to gain immortality through anonymous fame, and bored Uni students wanting to feel intellectually superior to the gullible sections of society that have a desperate need to believe in aliens. Bit of a let down really :-( Soupie twist, Ed G. | |
| From: Alec | 10/02/99
21:48:01 |
| Subject: re: MIAMI STONEHENGE | post id:
779 |
| The "demo fakes" that the
supposed hoaxers did were nothing like the real crop circles. They were
messy and very basic in design. Some of the real ones have incredibly
precise mathamatical designs which would be nearly impossible for people
to press into crops, and definitly impossible for them to do in the time
that it took the shapes to appear. | |
| From: James Richmond (Avatar) | 15/02/99
22:14:08 |
| Subject: re: MIAMI STONEHENGE | post id:
1250 |
| Alec said: The "demo fakes" that the supposed hoaxers did were
nothing like the real crop circles. They were messy and very basic in
design. Some of the real ones have incredibly precise mathamatical designs
which would be nearly impossible for people to press into crops, and
definitly impossible for them to do in the time that it took the shapes to
appear. I am willing to be convinced that some crop circles are not made by hoaxers, but I'll need a bit more evidence. Could you explain in what respects the "real" circles are mathematically "incredibly precise"? What would be the main difficulties hoaxers would encounter which would make it impossible for them to press such designs into crops? Also, since no-one has ever seen such circles being formed (except for the demo fakes), how do we know how long it takes? From what I understand, circles tend to appear overnight, which would give a fair amount of time for hoaxers to trample the crops. | |
| From: Dave | 18/02/99
10:19:28 |
| Subject: re: MIAMI STONEHENGE | post id:
1441 |
| Updates on the Miami circle can
be found daily at www.artbell.com, www.enterprisemission.com,
www.miamicircle.com, or run a search and you'll find it. Please everyone check this out and email Governor Bush, the Whitehouse, everyone you can to help save this site. YOU CAN HELP!!! There is truckloads of media there everyday, hundreds of demonstrators, and still our media in Australia is ignoring it! This sacred site may still be destroyed, ancient burial ground desecrated yet again, so PLEASE everybody, check this out, this is REAL news, happening right now, today, this moment, as we speak, as we listen to Karl respond to trivial nonsense, ( interesting and fun but still just trivia). There is REAL news out there however, and REAL science that needs your attention, and needs your help! PLEASE look for yourselves and help save this sacred site!!! | |
| From: Robert | 18/02/99
10:43:22 |
| Subject: re: MIAMI STONEHENGE | post id:
1447 |
| How can they want to destroy this
site without even studying it properly? The photos on the net show carvings similar to some Mayan stuff I've seen, sharks, turtles and other animals, eyes, etc. and one of the stories said they have already found human teeth!! How can this developer be aloud to Bulldoze this and build, of all things, a parking lot for his million dollar apartment complex???? This is crazy, and very very sad. I would encourage everyone to check this out and email, fax, phone anyone and everyone you can to help save this ancient site. | |
| From: Sean | 18/02/99
11:00:34 |
| Subject: re: MIAMI STONEHENGE | post id:
1453 |
| I thought this ancient circle was
supposed to be a Tequeste Indian site which would make it up to a thousand
years old, which is pretty damn old and well worth saving, but now it
seems it is much, much older! Some of the carved Limestone reaches way
down below the water level, and there was a story reported in the media in
the early part of this century that spoke of a 30ft deep 'shaft' carved
into the solid limestone very close to this circle!!! The Miami city Council wants to cut out the circle and move it, surely this is ridiculous?? What is going on, is the persuit of money more important than our History?? Help save this ancient site, it is definately worth it from whatever angle you come from..... | |
| From: Horace | 19/02/99
8:59:23 |
| Subject: re: MIAMI STONEHENGE | post id:
1646 |
| GOOD NEWS!! Miami-Dade Council has announced that they are filing an Eminent Domain Law suit immediately, which is to be voted on very soon!! This is the first really promising step taken by the council, and it now looks like the ancient circle will be saved, and most importantly left where it is!!! To all the people who have emailed, faxed, written and called, your efforts are paying off, well done! | |
| From: Horace | 19/02/99
9:08:23 |
| Subject: re: MIAMI STONEHENGE | post id:
1648 |
| If anyone has some solid evidence
that UFO's, the face on Mars, etc are NOT real, perhaps they could do
something about it? If you don't believe these things are real, WHERE'S YOUR EVIDENCE? | |
| From: Martin Smith | 19/02/99
11:19:17 |
| Subject: re: MIAMI STONEHENGE | post id:
1659 |
| Horace said "If anyone has some solid evidence that UFO's, the face on Mars, etc are NOT real, perhaps they could do something about it? If you don't believe these things are real, WHERE'S YOUR EVIDENCE?" It is very difficult to prove something is not real. I have no direct evidence that reindeer cannot fly. Does this mean reindeer CAN fly!!! I do know that no reindeer have ever been observed to fly - but then where do all those stories of rudolf come from. The question is WHERE'S YOUR EVIDENCE. If you say reindeer can fly show me a flying reindeer, or come up with a plausible theory backed by a bit of experimentation or research that says maybe they could once fly, do not say to me "Prove that reindeer cannot fly." | |
| From: Horace (genuine) | 19/02/99
11:22:19 |
| Subject: re: MIAMI STONEHENGE | post id:
1660 |
| ------------------------------------------------ If anyone has some solid evidence that UFO's, the face on Mars, etc are NOT real, perhaps they could do something about it? If you don't believe these things are real, WHERE'S YOUR EVIDENCE? ----------------------------------------------- Firstly, the onus of proof is on you! It's absurd that you (or anyone else) can think up any crap and then expect other people to find the evidence to prove you wrong. YOU'RE THE ONE WHO HAS TO PROVE IT RIGHT!! Just for the record: The evidence for ancient martian civillisation comes from a single photo of the martian landscape which, with a bit of imagination looks like a face. Of course NASA went back recently and took a higher resolution photo of the area and what did we see, sweet bugger all! The reason you say for that is no doubt GOVERNMENT CONSPIRACY. Well in that case it's not science therefore it's not fit for this forum. PS. use your own name, . | |
| From: lisa | 19/02/99
12:08:25 |
| Subject: re: MIAMI STONEHENGE | post id:
1666 |
| Horace, Do your homework before
you mouth off about what you claim to know, that means more than watching
TV, I agree with whoever posted in your name, the 'proof' is undeniable
and overwhelming and it is only disinformational heads like you that
refuse to even take a good look that cause the conflict we see on these
subjects. You probably don't acknowledge the crop circle phenomenon
either, do you? If you bothered to check you would have found that the
NASA data from Mars last year CONFIRMED these structures to be artificial.
Take a look idiot, you may actually learn something....... P.S. For those people with genuine curiosity keep an eye out for a new special called 'Confirmation' by Whitley Streiber (yes, on TV, for people like Horrible Horace) and don't expect a reply, you're not worth it..... | |
| From: Horace | 19/02/99
12:21:45 |
| Subject: re: MIAMI STONEHENGE | post id:
1667 |
| Actually I do believe in the crop
circle phenomenon. I find it one of the most remarkable displays of the
extraordinary. I refer to the stubborness of the UFO proponents to
continue to believe that crop circles are convincing evidence of aliens.
Now that's extraordinary!! Anyway in my opinion TV tends to promote the Aliens and Government conspiracies and I think most people will agree. | |
| From: Dr. Ed G (Avatar) | 19/02/99
12:57:38 |
| Subject: re: MIAMI STONEHENGE | post id:
1673 |
| It's all a fraud I tell you! All
a fraud!! The face on Mars is just a diversion... a government conspiracy
to cover up the real truth about the nature of the Universe and our place
in it, In fact, there is a much clearer picture on Mars of Kermit the Frog sitting on a log, not unlike the image of Kermit singing the rainbow connection in the original "Muppet Movie". By my special powers of scientific enquiry alone I have discovered that in fact the Universe is controlled by Muppets, with Kermit the Frog as its head! The creations of Jim Henson are simply subconscious reflections of genetically imprinted mind-waves, proving the omnipotence of the all powerful, pan-dimensional, Muppet beings. Is it just coincidence that Kermit's favourite song was indeed "The Rainbow Connection"? My work is not as yet fully completed but I you send money to my research fund NOW, my guess is that I can decrypt the underlying message in this song, I will find the answer to the ultimate meaning of the existence! "Proof?" I hear you ask... PROOF!!! Proof, indeed! I'll give you proof. Behold... the ancient monument erected on Mars to the ultimate godhead of the Universe Kermit the Frog!  Soupie twist, Ed G. | |
| From: John Citizen | 19/02/99
13:10:43 |
| Subject: re: MIAMI STONEHENGE | post id:
1677 |
| That's amazing Dr. EdG... please
tell us more, and where we can send our money. I'm sure you're on the
inside track. John. | |
| From: Dr. Ed G (Avatar) | 19/02/99
13:16:45 |
| Subject: re: MIAMI STONEHENGE | post id:
1678 |
| Gee, thanks for the encouragement
John. You're right I didn't mention where donations could be sent to
support this vital and life affirming research into the true nature of
Kermit. Donations are tax deductable and can be sent to The Kermit Consciousness Fund c/o James Randi Educational Foundation 201 S.E. 12th St. (E. Davie Blvd.) Fort Lauderdale, FL 33316-1815, U.S.A. And remember, this is what we call the Muppet show! Soupie twist, Ed G. | |
| From: Lisa | 19/02/99
14:51:56 |
| Subject: re: MIAMI STONEHENGE | post id:
1690 |
| Sorry Horace, Dr ED &
everyone. I was mislead. the Miami Circle not so special after all. It tuned out to be a 30 year old septic tank. Sorry for the angst. | |
| From: Andrew | 19/02/99
17:03:14 |
| Subject: re: MIAMI STONEHENGE | post id:
1710 |
| The Miami-Dade County Commission
just voted ten to one, To file the Eminent Domain Law Suit to SAVE the
Miami Circle !!! County Mayor Alex Penelas went to court and got the judge
to issue a Temporary Restraining Order preventing the developer, Michael
Baumann from any construction or excavation on the site !!
| |
| From: Martin Smith | 19/02/99
18:13:42 |
| Subject: re: MIAMI STONEHENGE | post id:
1716 |
| Tony: "I can probably provide you with some crappy, out of focus camcorder footage of a herd of reindeer flying over sydney and landing at Mascot Airport at 2am if you like." Better send it to the Government and CASA. That is WAY after curfew and unless they have their dispensation I see a big $20 000 fine going Santa's way. Martin | |
| From: Andrew | 19/02/99
18:27:57 |
| Subject: re: MIAMI STONEHENGE | post id:
1718 |
| The Miami-Dade County Commission
just voted ten to one, To file the Eminent Domain Law Suit to SAVE the Miami Circle !!! County Mayor Alex Penelas went to court and got the judge to issue a Temporary Restraining Order preventing the developer, Michael Baumann from any construction or excavation on the site !! UPDATE!! Archaeologists announced tonight that they believe they have located large stones on the site that could be the stones that 'fit' into the 30 carved holes of the circle, this is incredibly exciting but so far UNCONFIRMED, so for now we will have to wait! Also the developer, Michael Baumann, has announced publicly that he will not contest the Court Order!! This man has been through hell the last couple of weeks as you can imagine, and we should all now take our hats off to him and thank him for his cooperation and decision. Let's hope the media in Australia will now have a reason to pick up on the story, and give the general public a view of this amazing discovery! | |